In this classic C2C episode, historian David Jacobs highlighted some of the key events and theories that surround the subject of UFOs and alien abductions, while leading abduction researcher Budd Hopkins joined in during the conversation. Jacobs said the evidence for alien abduction was "not just compelling, it's overwhelming." Hopkins discussed his latest book, “Sight Unseen,” about aliens living among us looking like normal human beings, as well as the ability of abductions to take place without any witnesses as Hopkins claimed the beings could make their activities invisible to humans.
Both researchers talked about apparent "hybrid" beings, whom they say have mixed alien and human genetics, and how Hopkins made this astonishing discovery in the early 1980s. They also considered many theories about the origins and motivations for UFO visitations and abductions.
First-hour guest, videographer Jose Escamilla, who discovered the "Rods" phenomenon in 1994, reacted to a skeptical examination of his videos and experiments posted on the UFO Theatre website, which determined that the "rods" are caused by camera artifacts. He claimed that the strange things he captured in hundreds of videos were some kind of previously undiscovered animal. Escamilla argued that the shutter speeds in UFO Theatre's experiments were not correct to capture the phenomena he had been examining.