Appearing in the middle two hours, Phillip Krapf, formerly with the L.A. Times news staff, discussed his encounters with Paul, a being who claimed to be his guardian angel. Paul had the ability to materialize at will, and spent many hours conversing and counseling him, he detailed.

Starting in 1997, Krapf said he had contact experiences with an ET race called the Verdants (see the recap from his 2003 appearance for details), and on one occasion saw Paul aboard their ship. This led him to suspect that rather than being a spiritual being, Paul was actually one of the Verdants, physical entities who have the ability to shapeshift and use technology to alter their appearance.

The last hour of the show featured Open Lines.

Roswell Recalled

First hour guest, flight surgeon Jesse Marcel Jr. discussed the Roswell Incident. His father was Jesse Marcel, the military officer who handled some of the Roswell crash debris, in July 1947, and believed it was not of this Earth. Shortly after the crash, Marcel Jr. recalled his father bringing some of the debris home and letting him have a look. Of particular interest were the metallic I-beams that had strange geometric symbols on their inside, he said, adding that the legacy of Roswell is the knowledge that we're not alone in the universe.