After Chicago, but before he became the legend he is today, Eliot Ness found himself in Cleveland, investigating a brutal series of murders by an unknown perpetrator dubbed The Mad Butcher of Cleveland; murders that still remain unsolved to this day. The killings, mostly of indigent and transient individuals who were difficult to identify, actually began before Ness showed up in Cleveland, where he had taken a job as Director of Public Safety. “We think of Ness as a Chicago guy, because that’s where all the drama with Al Capone and the Untouchables played out,” author Daniel Stashower explained. “But that chapter of his career was very brief, and it was pretty much all wrapped up by the time he turned 30. Particularly once Prohibition was repealed.”

In this role, Stashower explained, he was in charge of not only the police, but the fire department and others. He wasn’t brought in to catch murderers though. He was brought in to be a bureaucrat. Stashower said while the Ness from television and legend would have “kicked down some doors,” that wasn’t what the real Ness was like. “The real Eliot Ness is a different guy. He hadn’t been brought into the city to catch killers. It wasn’t his job. He wasn’t a homicide detective any more than he was a fireman or a crossing guard… But this is Eliot Ness we’re talking about.” As the crimes progressed, he said, Ness was forced to take a more active role. He detailed that role and the sadistic nature of the crimes during the first half of the show with guest host Richard Syrett (Twitter). This included identifying a suspect in the still unsolved crime, who was interviewed by Ness himself and who the famed lawman strongly believed to be the perpetrator – though, Stashower said, he could never get the suspect to crack.

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In the second half of the show psychic medium Sloan Bella discussed the possibility that we slip between different dimensions, realities, or time streams on a regular basis, and that such instances are increasing. When multiple people recollect another timeline, she explained, we get things like the Mandela Effect – a phenomenon of mistaken remembrance where large numbers of people share a similar memory. (For instance, a shared memory of Nelson Mandela dying in prison, long before he was released and became President of South Africa.) She said while some people don’t notice these changes, for those that do notice, it’s like hearing a sour note in an orchestra. “It’s like a musical note, and it’s slightly off key, and it forces our attention in a different direction,” she explained.

She said some people could consciously jump timelines, and that she has even practiced moving herself backwards along her own timeline in order to change interactions, as well as moving into parallel realities. “That’s quantum physics a little bit,” she said, “and you can meditate your way into different vibrations. We’ll put it that way. And then you can explore the way that one feels, and you can go that way. And if you don’t like it, you can meditate back again.” She also discussed the idea that Bigfoot comes from one of these parallel realities or timelines, and can move between them at will, in addition to beings that we sometimes call “aliens” and other unidentified entities.