Author Mark Gober has served on the board of the Institute of Noetic Sciences since 2019. He revealed that most people probably haven’t thought to question fundamental beliefs about health and disease. For example, do bacteria cause disease, or are they part of the body's cleanup crew that appears at the scene of an underlying toxicity or injury? Do researchers follow the scientific method when they claim to isolate viruses and show that they cause disease in their hosts? Gober told George he is skeptical of some of these claims and said he feels other scientists don’t focus enough on the intellectual and spiritual influences on health. “It’s difficult to challenge the materialist view of consciousness, which is the idea that consciousness is stuck in our skull,” he explained. “Much of what the Institute of Noetic Sciences looks at is the evidence that this is not true, and the implications (of that.)”
Gober noted that he feels much of Western medicine, which employs an allopathic approach – or treating symptoms and diseases with drugs and surgery – “does not seem appropriate in terms of looking at health and disease.” While it’s “understandable for doctors who are dealing with many patients” who “just need to get that person well,” he continued, “from my perspective, we need to get to the root cause of why people are getting sick in order to try to figure out the appropriate remedies.” He said understanding consciousness is a big part of figuring out why folks get sick. “When I don’t see doctors talking about (consciousness), to me, it’s just a red flag,” he said. He explained that while most allopathic doctors think that consciousness is in the brain, and not something to be considered in treating illness that isn’t directly related to the brain, “if (consciousness) is more like a soul – which I think there’s a lot of evidence for that – then the body becomes a vessel for that soul.” Therefore, he claimed, consciousness needs to be considered in any treatment. But, unfortunately, “that’s not the way modern medicine typically regards health.”
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Researcher and documentary filmmaker, Darcy Weir, has chosen to explore some of the most intriguing topics of discussion today, including UFOs and cryptids. He joined George to discuss his recent film, Transmedium: Fastmovers & USOs, as well as the mysterious world of NASA-related UFO encounters in space. Those topics included the role of SETI and the likelihood (or lack of) that they will actually receive or send a message that isn’t thousands of years old by the time it arrives, and the role of scientists like Seth Shostak who continues to work with SETI while discounting UFO evidence such as that disclosed by military whistle-blowers.
Weir discussed his recent and upcoming documentary films on UFO phenomena as well. His most recent focuses in part on the phenomenon of USOs or Unidentified Submersible Objects – essentially UFOs that go under the water. He explained that he believes many submarines have encountered USOs, which they call “fast movers,” and even documented them on sonar. “It’s almost like an open secret that they’re noticing these operating in our oceans with superior speeds to anything we can operate,” he said. “A submarine goes a maximum of about 35 to 40 knots,” he continued, while a torpedo – creating an air bubble in front of it to reduce friction – can get up to 70 knots. But the items spotted on sonar move even faster; and unlike our technology, which is limited to either the air or the sea, these objects can readily move from air to sea and back again, making them truly transmedium. “They… exhibit the capability of moving from our oceans to our atmosphere to space with no friction, no regard for physics as we know them.”
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The show closed with a segment from the archives, when George welcomed the late Brad Steiger.