Pennsylvania Cryptids / UFOs and the White House

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With his decades long research into UFOs, Bigfoot, and other unknowns, Stan Gordon has heard more about strangeness in his home state of Pennsylvania than probably any other researcher in the state. Before the age of the internet, Gordon set up a hotline in 1969 to collect these types of reports. He joined George Knapp to discuss some of the strange cryptid encounters he's investigated over the years, including accounts of Bigfoot-type entities associated with UFOs. "When I got involved in Bigfoot investigating back in 1960s, I was of the opinion we were dealing with some type of unknown species of animal. But then when that massive outbreak occurred in early seventies, especially in 1973... that's when all these very strange reports began to come in and we began to realize that Bigfoot is a lot stranger than any of us that ever imagined," Gordon said. He and George discussed the reticence of some folks to accept the stranger cases that blend elements of cryptozoology and ufology, something George noted he has experienced himself in his writings on Skinwalker Ranch. But despite that reticence from some in the associated fields, the reports have continued to come in. Gordon explained that, for lack of a better term, he would classify at least some of the cryptids reported to him as interdimensional. "I am not suggesting that Bigfoot is a passenger, for example, in a spacecraft from another planet," he continued. "Because, as strange as it sounds... we're dealing with something that has a physical and a non-physical component to it. For lack of a better term right now, I'll call it interdimensional." This assertion is backed up by reports that include Bigfoot creatures simply appearing in a roadway. Not moving into the road, but literally materializing out of nowhere.

Gordon shared reports of Bigfoot-type creatures with anywhere from three to five toes and of people shooting at hairy hominids they saw on their property - something he said he would not recommend. Even when investigating potentially large and dangerous animals, he noted, "We never took firearms, my team members, and that's how it was." He also talked about the impact of UFO-type craft on vehicles and electronics, spectacular daytime sightings, small glowing spheres seen inside the homes of witnesses, and even reports of Thunderbirds and giant spiders! "This (spider) case occurred in the spring or summer of 2014," he explained, in Indiana County, PA. "They (the witnesses) went outside, and it was about six feet away from her home." He said the spider was immense, tan in color, and longer than a nearby door which measured six feet. After discussing what to do, one of the youths tried to smash it with a piece of wood. But, he said, "as soon as the spider was struck, the body began to shrivel up, and then the woman said it looked like an overgrown daddy long legs. Then it seemed to suddenly just disappear in front of their eyes as it fell, about a foot from the ground."
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How many of us know about George Washington's UFO sighting during the terrible winter at Valley Forge, and how the experience guided his future? Or, that President Richard Nixon shared UFO secrets with Jackie Gleason before the latter's death? William Birnes, New York Times bestselling author of The Day After Roswell and many other books, discussed a number of such stories involving UFOs and The White House. Birnes told George that while mainstream journalists often won't cover anything outside "the Overton Window" – a term for anything considered too fringe for serious coverage – that didn’t stop government agencies from retrieving crashed vehicles and presidents from knowing about it and even talking about it, beginning with Harry Truman. “Truman was the first modern president to reveal the truth about UFOs,” Birnes said. “He was on the radio, saying, ‘These are flying saucers.’”

But the connection to the presidency goes all the way back to the founding of the nation, Birnes said. He claimed that a Delaware chief had Washington in his musket sites when Washington was an officer in the British Colonial Militia during the French and Indian War, but didn’t pull the trigger because he saw a “great spirit” descend over the future president. Later, during the winter at Valley Forge, Birnes continued, Washington went into the woods to pray about the situation and saw the spirit of that same chief, who had died a week before. But even more strange was the encounter to follow. According to Birnes, Washington then saw “a glowing green orb handing in the air, in the woods, and out of the green orb, he sees little green creatures coming out, and he sees a figure robed in white that describes how he’s going to survive this winter… and become a great nation.” That makes Washington not only our first president, Birnes said, but “the first paranormal president.”

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