First Half: Focusing on the possibilities found by exploring both sides of the UFO debate, veteran UFO observer and reporter Keith Thompson joins host George Knapp to share profound insights and experiences from his several decades of research. He will reveal how the UFO phenomenon is decidedly real, yet perhaps not what either side of the debate expects.

Second Half: Project leader of the Vanishing and Appearing Stuff during a Century of Observations (VASCO) mission, Beatriz Villarroel, joins us to discuss cases where multiple star-like objects (transients) appeared and vanished in a small image within an hour. Her project looks for vanishing stars in the Milky Way as a strong signature of extraterrestrial intelligence — or entirely new physical phenomena we do not know about yet.