Guest host Richard Syrett (Twitter) welcomed former CIA officer Kevin Shipp to discuss his experiences in counterterrorism and counterespionage, and his CIA investigation and whistleblowing. Shipp described his unexpected recruitment into the CIA, driven by a sense of patriotism during the Reagan administration. Initially doubtful that his past behaviors in college—including drug use, alcohol, and minor crimes—would allow him entry, he was surprised when he successfully advanced through the agency's rigorous background checks. His recruitment process included interviews, polygraph tests, and extensive vetting, ultimately leading to his employment within the CIA's Security Protective Service.
Shipp transitioned from security operations to the CIA's Counterterrorism Center, engaging in high-stakes missions, particularly in the Middle East and South America. He recalled extensive combat and survival training, including high-speed counterterrorism driving, firearms qualifications, and counter-surveillance techniques. During one mission in the Philippines, his team was tasked with preventing assassinations by a violent terrorist group. Their success in stopping these attacks earned them a Meritorious Unit Citation. However, Shipp recounted how his experiences in the field led him away from his Christian faith, as he embraced the morally gray and often corrupt world of intelligence work. He described how many CIA operatives operated without moral constraints, engaging in drinking, deception, and other unethical behaviors, a reality he struggled with over time.
The defining moment in Shipp's career came when he discovered a severe security vulnerability in the CIA's operations, which allowed foreign intelligence services and terrorists to easily identify undercover agents. After reporting this issue multiple times through official channels, he found that his concerns were being deliberately ignored and even erased from internal records. His persistence led to an external investigation by the State Department, which confirmed that the vulnerability was not accidental but intentionally maintained by the CIA, potentially as a tool for eliminating non-compliant operatives. Following this revelation, Shipp became a whistleblower, exposing corruption within the agency, which he said led to retaliation against him, including alleged poisoning of his family.
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In the second half of the program, researcher Jon Stewart talked about his investigation into the authenticity of a video showing an alleged interrogation of an alien. He asserted that the video depicts a real alien being questioned in an underground facility south of Area 51. According to Stewart, debunkers have wrongly dismissed the footage as a hoax, primarily due to the darkened visual presentation. He argued that the original footage was altered for theatrical effect and that the unedited version clearly shows more details, including military personnel and the alien's upper body, refuting claims that darkness was used to hide trickery.
Stewart further claimed that the footage was part of a classified extraterrestrial program managed by the Department of Naval Intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency. He revealed that his investigation, spanning six years and involving multiple whistleblowers, uncovered that this interview took place on April 22, 1991, and was part of Project Aquarius, a secret government initiative for retaining and interrogating extraterrestrial beings. His main whistleblower allegedly provided access to a re-transcribed document detailing the incident. This document, according to Stewart, confirms the existence of a hidden facility near Papoose Lake where ETs were housed and studied. He asserted that this revelation also supports elements of Bob Lazar's claims about Area 51 and secret government programs.
Stewart also made the surprising claim that Carthusian monks were involved in the interrogation process due to their alleged telepathic abilities. He stated that these monks were used by intelligence agencies for their unique empathic and remote viewing skills, helping to translate the alien's thoughts. One of these monks, now 91 years old, reportedly confirmed this story to Stewart's team. He also mentioned that the alien struggled to comprehend human timekeeping, suggesting that its species operates under a different perception of time.